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Question Retirement

2 years 6 months ago #41139 by e.minto
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Hi

Can anyone tell me the rules regarding retirement dates. I want to retire this year, around Easter time. Am I able to include the Easter holidays in my retirement date i.e. give my date of leaving as the last day of the Easter holidays.

Thanks for your help

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2 years 6 months ago #41140 by SteveKeys
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Can't see why not - if teachers leave a post at the end of the school year for a new role in September they resign with effect from Aug 31st.
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2 years 6 months ago #41141 by TecHKnow
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You can retire at any time and this is usually treated as a resignation.
However, I suggest you check your employment contract carefully and see how this is worded. Normally, most contracts say that you must give one months notice in writing if you wish to retire. However, you can give a longer period if you wish.

Your employer should meet with you and it is at this stage that your termination date is agreed. My advice is to make sure that you have either used up your holidays before you retire - which means that you would leave before the actual final date, or perhaps agree with your employer to take those holidays in lieu of payment.
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2 years 6 months ago #41142 by e.minto
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Thanks for your reply, I'm unsure about my holiday entitlement as I am term time only plus 5 days. I've already spoken to the head about retiring and she told me only 1 months notice.

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2 years 6 months ago #41143 by TecHKnow
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One months notice is standard among many non-teaching staff contracts thought you will get some that ask for longer. However, in your specific instance, you need to meet with your employer and actually agree a date that you intend to leave. Since you are Term time, there is an issue that you could be "short-changed" and your employer incorrectly work out that date. Ensure that you include any holiday entitlement that you are owed. Finally, good luck and don't go too far from TecHKnow. we still need you around here!!!
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2 years 6 months ago #41144 by bsimmo
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AND check pay. While on term time contracts, you still have hourly pay for the hours worked (you have a set number of days you need to work, a set number of hours week too)
But many TTO will have this pay spread over the year and given monthly, not paid as hours worked that month.
So add up all your hours worked and your check your hourly pay rate.
You contract should have the accrued holidays calculation too so you can work out how many (the gov.uk should be able to check for basic holiday entitlement too just for refrence www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/holiday-pay-the-basics )
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2 years 6 months ago #41145 by ChrisKJS
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I agree that you need to talk to your employer. Where I am teachers still get paid till the end of August when they change schools at the end of the school year. However associate staff are only paid till the end of term when they change jobs.
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2 years 6 months ago #41146 by e.minto
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I am on the case now and will check myself how much holiday pay I am owed. Hopefully there won't be any problems.

Thanks

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2 years 6 months ago #41147 by Cookerty
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Here any non-teaching staff used to be able to resign on the last day of any holiday period like what those teachers do. However, the last couple of support staff members worked a day or two over holiday periods then left.

I.E. they were told to give a normal months notice but the final working day of the notice period had to be a day they worked normally

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2 years 6 months ago #41148 by Baldilocks
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My understanding was that working time was normalised to your paying authority's 'Leave year', sometimes Jan-Dec, other times the tax year. You accrue leave according to the amount of time (number of days) you have worked less the number of days leave you have had (mostly during school holidays if you are TTO). Effects can be weird so it is worth phoning up the pay office to see how they do it.
I doubt if there is a solid reason why you should leave on a Friday, or last day of term or whatever - it probably satisfies someone's idea of 'neatness'.
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2 years 5 months ago #41235 by marianofsurbiton
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I have just submitted my resignation/retirement letter and have stated that my last day will be 31 August 2019. I am hoping this will be accepted without argument as I am term time only and, like most of us, my annual pay is divided into 12 and paid in equal instalments throughout the year. I joined my current school on 1 September 1993 so, in my book, this seems quite neat!

Best of luck e.minto!

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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #41236 by TecHKnow
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Marian,

You and I go way...WAY back to Valery Chapman and UCLAN Scitech. SO I am really amazed and equally sad that you are now deciding to retire. It means that the countdown clock must nearly be starting for me. I'm here 25 years. Marian, you have been a fantastic source of help and Knowledge right across all of the Technician platforms. I am sure they will miss you as well. For us, here on TecHknow, we do not wish to lose you. SO you are invited to stick around and whenever the "urge" comes, help out the younger generation with your experience. I hope you will decide to stay with us.
Regardless, let me take this opportunity to wish you lots of success and happiness in whatever you decide to do.

Regards

Seamus
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2 years 5 months ago - 2 years 5 months ago #41237 by marianofsurbiton
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Aw, that’s so sweet of you Seamus, thank you! I will be 65 in August and feel it’s time to go - want to spend more time with my lovely dog and cats :)
Certainly will stick around though xx
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2 years 5 months ago #41238 by D.B.Ferguson
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Enjoy your retirement and glad you are sticking around!
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2 years 4 months ago #41290 by e.minto
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Hi
Please can you sign me off from this site as I will be retiring next week. I've done 20 years and worked under 9 separate heads so I have 'done my time'.
As to the question I raised before about any holidays being due to me the response here was as follows.

'I have been looking into your holiday entitlement and have been informed by HR that all holiday entitlement is calculated and paid within your hourly rate when you are term time only.'

I hope the above may be useful for any of you 'term time only' technicians who are coming up to retirement.

Best wishes to all and thank you for all your help on this site.

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2 years 4 months ago #41292 by AndyG
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Have a long and happy retirement! :-)

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2 years 4 months ago #41293 by Cookaburra
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My colleague is retiring at the end of this school year but she has been told her last day will be end of August. My former colleague had the same terms.

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2 years 4 months ago #41297 by bsimmo
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e.minto wrote: Hi
Please can you sign me off from this site as I will be retiring next week. I've done 20 years and worked under 9 separate heads so I have 'done my time'.
As to the question I raised before about any holidays being due to me the response here was as follows.

'I have been looking into your holiday entitlement and have been informed by HR that all holiday entitlement is calculated and paid within your hourly rate when you are term time only.'

I hope the above may be useful for any of you 'term time only' technicians who are coming up to retirement.

Best wishes to all and thank you for all your help on this site.


They cannot *roll up pay*

Rolled-up holiday pay
Holiday pay should be paid for the time when annual leave is taken. An employer cannot include an amount for holiday pay in the hourly rate (known as ‘rolled-up holiday pay’).

www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/holiday-pay-the-basics

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2 years 4 months ago #41299 by Cookaburra
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However, that hourly rate is decided on a formula that divides the pay and holiday pay into 12 equal portions. My thought is (though I don't really understand it) that if they just cease to pay you on the day you leave you will be missing some pay if you haven't worked all 12 months. Besides which, teachers who also work term time only are entitled to be paid up to the beginning of the next term

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2 years 4 months ago #41300 by AndyG
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I'm a bit confused.
The Citizens Advice website says
Agency and casual workers - rolled-up holiday pay

You might be told that you’ll get extra pay on top of your hourly rate, instead of being given paid holiday leave. This is known as ‘rolled-up’ holiday pay.

The idea is that you store up the extra pay and use it when you want to take time off work.

Although the government and Acas recommend employers don't use rolled-up holiday pay, it's legal if your employer does it clearly. For example, they can’t say "You’ll be paid £8 an hour which includes rolled-up holiday pay." They must say "Your basic hourly pay is £7.20 per hour. In addition to this you’ll receive 80p per hour rolled-up holiday pay."

Your payslips must show the amounts separately.

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