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Question Academies

4 years 6 months ago #37747 by AndyG
I assume that, as The Right Horrible George Osbourne has announced that 'all schools are to be academies by 2020', it is now accepted that transfer to "Academy Status" is simply an accounting and financial control tool for central Government with no educational basis whatsoever? Otherwise, why would it not be discussed by the education minister?
What it does mean is that if there are no education facilities under council control, I would suggest it is likely that several of the services currently obtained from the local Councils will no longer be offered (eg CLEAPSS membership, RPO oversight, children's services ...)

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4 years 6 months ago #37748 by Allan the Tech

AndyG wrote: I assume that, as The Right Horrible George Osbourne has announced that 'all schools are to be academies by 2020'


Not applicable to Scotland thankfully. :whistle:

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4 years 6 months ago #37749 by TecHKnow

AndyG wrote: I assume that, as The Right Horrible George Osbourne has announced that 'all schools are to be academies by 2020', it is now accepted that transfer to "Academy Status" is simply an accounting and financial control tool for central Government with no educational basis whatsoever? Otherwise, why would it not be discussed by the education minister?
What it does mean is that if there are no education facilities under council control, I would suggest it is likely that several of the services currently obtained from the local Councils will no longer be offered (eg CLEAPSS membership, RPO oversight, children's services ...)


As far as CLEAPSS are concerned, they provide advice on this on their website

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4 years 6 months ago #37753 by AndyG
There's no problem with buying CLEAPSS membership per se but the local councils usually get preferential rates and thus the 'bulk' price can be lower to Academies purchasing via the local council than buying direct.

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4 years 6 months ago #37754 by Leigh Preece
CLEAPSS membership is still available and obviously, if all high schools are academies, CLEAPSS will have to modify their membership system.

My place, as an academy, pay a 'percentage price per pupil' to CLEAPSS. It's not a fortune.

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4 years 6 months ago #37766 by A Walter

AndyG wrote: I assume that, as The Right Horrible George Osbourne has announced that 'all schools are to be academies by 2020', it is now accepted that transfer to "Academy Status" is simply an accounting and financial control tool for central Government with no educational basis whatsoever? Otherwise, why would it not be discussed by the education minister?


George announced it to hide his governments economic failings. We are still borrowing, and borrowing more, growth is very low and lower than expected and they will fail to remove the deficit for a second term. Clever move, because everyone is talking about academies, something that has and hasn't worked and will be a big discussion point.

Something this might do (really I'm just speculating here), is create a gap in the market for a cheapo CLEAPSS as academies push to save the most money possible.

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4 years 6 months ago #37774 by bsimmo

A Walter wrote:

AndyG wrote: I assume that, as The Right Horrible George Osbourne has announced that 'all schools are to be academies by 2020', it is now accepted that transfer to "Academy Status" is simply an accounting and financial control tool for central Government with no educational basis whatsoever? Otherwise, why would it not be discussed by the education minister?


George announced it to hide his governments economic failings. We are still borrowing, and borrowing more, growth is very low and lower than expected and they will fail to remove the deficit for a second term. Clever move, because everyone is talking about academies, something that has and hasn't worked and will be a big discussion point.

Something this might do (really I'm just speculating here), is create a gap in the market for a cheapo CLEAPSS as academies push to save the most money possible.


But CLEAPSS is not expensive in the first place, memory serves it was about 60 quid for our school for the year prep and senior. Though that's now been taken up by the group purchase I don't see that cost anymore. (as far as I know)

Only thing cheaper would be to do it in house and then that probably costs more in man hours.

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4 years 6 months ago #37775 by AndyG
Ours was certainly not that cheap ... IIRC in the hundreds rather than tens.

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4 years 6 months ago #37781 by Rachel
We pay £108 a year (private school)

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4 years 6 months ago #37783 by AndyG
I knew I'd seen it somewhere ... from the CLEAPSS website, making a case for CLEAPSS membership

CLEAPSS membership might cost a typical secondary school £350.00 per year

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4 years 6 months ago #37786 by lauratop
For the last couple of years here the cost of this has been passed down to individual schools (we're part of a trust but not - so far - academies).
We paid £120 this year - split between Science, Art & DT.

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4 years 6 months ago #37787 by ladyinwhite
Still on academies but more personal. What happens about our pension plan? Ww currently have a local government pension but will/ can that continue?

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4 years 6 months ago #37788 by DampSquib
When we became an academy hod and I had to make the case to business manager and all was well(no idea what we paid or which budget it came out of though). We have recently got a new business manager who is going through everything to make savings, so I hope we don't have to fight for membership when the renewal comes up.

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4 years 6 months ago - 4 years 6 months ago #37789 by DampSquib
Lady in white, we are still members of LGPS. I'd have thought it would be more of an effort for an academy to find a new pension scheme when LGPS is already in place. I think teachers would definitely stay in the teachers' pension scheme if the school is state funded, so a good leaverage for support staff to stay in LGPS.

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4 years 6 months ago #37791 by SarahLou
We became an academy a year ago and pensions remain the same. We have just renewed CLEAPPS membership at £107 from the science budget, this includes RPA services too.

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4 years 6 months ago #37792 by AndyG
Slightly off tack but I wonder how long the LGPS will last ... a well funded and managed scheme but still seen as a "public service pension" and lumped in with very tax-payer-expensive, non-contributory civil service pensions (there are still some!) and the like.
It has already been made clear that pensions are to be reviewed agaijn and I would not be at all surprised if we all get moved over onto the rubbish stakeholder pension scheme. Only time will tell.
As a school moving to an academy, the general process is that employees are TUPEd across on the same conditions (pensions, pay etc) then after three months the Academy can review it ...

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4 years 6 months ago #37793 by bsimmo
I believe Independent School Teachers are part of the same pension scheme as the state/academy, though I know us 'other staff' are not here.

If you don't like the idea, there are petitions on the petition sites (two of them being the more official ones, I don't have the links at the moment.)

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4 years 6 months ago #37794 by JimSloan

Allan the Tech wrote:

AndyG wrote: I assume that, as The Right Horrible George Osbourne has announced that 'all schools are to be academies by 2020'


Not applicable to Scotland thankfully. :whistle:


Same here in NI.

Although we have a whole range of other problems!

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4 years 6 months ago #37795 by Fluff

bsimmo wrote: I believe Independent School Teachers are part of the same pension scheme as the state/academy, though I know us 'other staff' are not here.


That is how it works here (Independent). Teachers stay in the same scheme as state schools, everyone else is in a pretty rubbish stakeholder pension.

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