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Question How will Brexit affect School Science

Poll: How will Brexit affect School Science?

1 (No disruption)
5 55.6%
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3 33.3%
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No votes 0%
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1 11.1%
5 (Serious Problems)
No votes 0%
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8 months 2 weeks ago #41212 by TecHKnow
With the clock running down to 11PM on March 29th. There is now considerable attention and effort directed towards whether we crash out of Brexit with a No deal or perhaps secure some kind of deal which will placate both the Leavers and the remainders.

However, let's look ahead beyond March 29th and try to visualize what it will be like for managers, staff and students in School Science.

Please take part in our Poll. On the Scale 1 to 5 (1 = No disruption - 5 Total disruption) gauge in your own minds how much chaos or trouble do you think School Science Departments will be experiencing after March 29th. Then post why you have arrived at your decision below.

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8 months 2 weeks ago #41214 by bsimmo
Not a lot (England based here)
There is no reason it will alter teaching, no reason it will alter the kids w.r.t. science teaching.

The only thing it will possible change is budgets for teaching,
prices my rise (or stay the same or you never know, come down).
China is the main Science supplier and that's outside of the EU anyway, other than a deal that needs to be made.
Our USA import (biology equipment, kits) needs a negotiation, but it's not the end of the world.
We of course now have less bargaiing power, so I would have though 'deals' would not be as good as before.

Things from the EU may be interesting, but not w.r.t. school science, going be a problem.

Recruiting Teachers with skills, that may get harder as there is a much lower pool of easily accessible humans to train up.
Trip to EU places, who knows, just extra paperwork in the end.

It'll adapt, if the country is not on fire and melting into the sea or we are all starving and fighting for a bit of Rhubarb.
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8 months 1 week ago #41219 by Cookaburra
I don't know which countries the various chemicals and equipment come from but I can envisage hold ups on orders for specific things. The companies don't seem to keep much stock of certain things as it is.

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8 months 1 week ago #41220 by ChrisKJS
I thought that a lot of it came from China and Korea.

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8 months 1 week ago #41221 by TecHKnow
One thing to keep in mind is that the CE marking is a certification mark that indicates conformity with health, safety, and environmental protection standards for products sold within the European Economic Area (EEA). Now I am aware that there is a new UK version of this coming on stream to replace the CE marking. However, will this be done in time for when we leave Brexit? How doers that effect continuing use of equipment that already have the CE marking? Will they have to be re-accredited?

I honestly believe that we will experience some issues.

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8 months 1 week ago - 8 months 1 week ago #41222 by bsimmo
I don't think the CE mark is anything to worry about. Many things have a CE mark but wouldn't pass a proper test (USB plugs for instance). I honestly do not use or even bother about CE marks.
we never had to stop using BS marked devices.

They can just continue to use it (be it by agreement or a copy and paste o the documents) for a time and then phase it out and bring in the kitmark again if they wish.
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8 months 1 week ago #41223 by bsimmo
To extend this...
for example
Bunsen's will need the CE mark and our suppliers need to check as such (appliances burning gaseous fuels) I believe till just overlap for some time, current ones are not going to obsolete or illegal so we'll not has gauze gate.

There will most likely be a phase of dual use until they get the industry setup for whatever we want to use, there is nothing technically stopping us using CE still, like some other countries not in the EEA.

Still we'll get buy not buying anything on the list for some time. You can still teach Science.

More difficult may be REACH and chemicals ;-)


But it all depends on 'the deal'

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8 months 1 week ago #41224 by AndyG
From the CE Marking Association in January ...

As a whole, legacy EU legislation is either written into, or will on the 29th March be written into UK law, so on the face of it, we should see little difference in the event of a No Deal Brexit.

and, in November last year

...the ‘Customs Agreement’ which will exist between the two parties during the transition phase is open-ended in order to prevent a hard border in Ireland. In terms of CE Marking, this means that given approval of the agreement, there will be no change to your CE Marking obligations throughout the transition phase. Don’t forget that in the event of ‘no deal’, the majority of CE Marking legislation is already written into UK legislation.


So they are basically telling their members there is no imminent issue.
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8 months 1 week ago #41225 by bsimmo
With regard to the more important Science one of everyday items (at least that we buy here)

REACH and no deal and off course CLEAPSS hardwork may have to be redone again, I hope we keep the same stickers ;-)

www.gov.uk/government/publications/regul...heres-no-brexit-deal

Implications
In the event that the UK leaves the EU without a deal, this would mean:

Companies registered with REACH would no longer be able to sell into the EEA market without transferring their registrations to an EEA-based organisation. Companies would therefore need to take action to preserve their EEA market access.
UK downstream users currently importing chemicals from an EEA country would face new registration requirements. Under the UK’s replacement for REACH, importers would have a duty to register chemicals. Similarly UK downstream users of authorisations would no longer be able to rely on authorisation decisions addressed to companies in the remaining EEA countries.

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8 months 1 week ago #41226 by AndyG
That's all import/export bureaucracy which may take little time and effort or could be more problematic (depending on the bureaucratic attitude of the EEA) but in any event would only impact those items subject to authorities from companies within the EEA.

I'm not convinced there'll be much of an issue for us on the ground apart from ...
Prices will rise massively because ... well, Brexit.
Why will this be the case? Well, mainly Brexit stuff.
And what is Brexit stuff? You remember decimalisation and how big business made profits overnight by hiking prices for no reason other than the had an excuse to and could hide it? That's Brexit stuff.

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8 months 1 week ago #41227 by Kasey
I'm sure that anything that happens in the next five years -prices, shortages, labour, asteroid strike,etc. - will be blamed on Brexit.
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