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Question Storage of Chemicals.

Poll: Do you store your General Inorganics in a cupboard or on shelves?

Cupboard
4 33.3%
Shelves
8 66.7%
Total number of voters: 12 ( prometheus, DavidS, Fluff, Cookaburra, Annie ) See more
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2 months 5 days ago #41520 by Kasey
When health and Safety came round they advised that my chemicals, currently stored on shelves should be in a cupboard.
I'm interested to know how everyone else stores them.

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2 months 5 days ago #41521 by Cereal Killer
Hey Kasey

We only keep the chemicals that have no hazard warning labels on the open shelves in the prep room. Everything else is locked away in two main chemical cupboards, both of which are accessed through our prep rooms. Only myself, the HoD & the duty officers are the keyholders to these cupboards.
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2 months 5 days ago #41522 by Kasey

Cereal Killer wrote: Hey Kasey

We only keep the chemicals that have no hazard warning labels on the open shelves in the prep room. Everything else is locked away in two main chemical cupboards, both of which are accessed through our prep rooms. Only myself, the HoD & the duty officers are the keyholders to these cupboards.


This was all the chemicals with no hazard warnings that were on the open shelves.

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2 months 5 days ago #41525 by Cereal Killer
Oh dear.

It would be difficult for us to find enough storage space to keep these chemicals locked away as well.
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2 months 5 days ago #41526 by SteveKeys
Just to confuse matters - we keep ours on a shelving system in a big cupboard - so both!
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2 months 5 days ago #41527 by AndyG
To be honest, I would guess your problem is the H&S bod using the "I've done the Nebosh course and it says all chemicals should be in a coshh approved cupboard" approach - which is good for employees who are not looking after their chemicals in a 'knowledgeable" way - rather than actually doing a basic risk assessment for the storage system you have in place. I'd like to see the reaction to your request to H&S for coshh cupboards to store all your non-hazardous - the dH2O needs several cupboards then there's the cornflour and sugar store, malt vinegar and Jif lemon juice dipository, the breakfast cereal barrel and as for those nasty whiteboard markers ...
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2 months 4 days ago #41530 by Kasey
Yep, just came round, obviously looking for something to complain about, couldn't find anything and went for the simple option.

Also, when they came round the time before it was my small bottle of ethanol in the preproom, should have been locked away. The time before that it was 'why aren't the alkali metals in the flammable cupboard?'

It just takes time showing them the relevant paperwork....

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2 months 1 day ago #41543 by DampSquib
Er... why aren’t your alkali metals in the flammable cupboard? The person who said that obviously had no knowledge of COSHH or chemical safety and should have been reported!
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2 months 1 day ago #41544 by bsimmo
What you need to do next time is point out problems you want fixing, or have always wanted.
Like a fume cupboard, working air extraction, dishwashers to reduce cuts, autoclaves, safe trolleys etc.

Of course these may never get done, but they are recorded and it is something you want, not something they are trying to tick box.
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1 month 4 weeks ago #41546 by Mr.Physics
I have never fully trusted what an external H&S person has to say. They do know there stuff but are always more used to an industrial setting rather than an educational one. The last time we had someone come round I found out they had no knowledge of the whole gauze gate issue.
As far as im concerned this meant said person who again had admitted they usually do H&S audits for industry did not bother to do their homework before coming into a school.

D Hudson
Physics Technician
Grange School
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1 month 4 weeks ago #41547 by AndyG
Oh no! Gauze Gates? When were they outlawed?

Sorry :-)

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1 month 3 weeks ago #41569 by Doolally
Hazcard says 'do not store in flammables cupboard'. I'm confused now

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1 month 3 weeks ago #41578 by Baldilocks
Perhaps a bit of perspective would be useful here.

A quick tour round your local Wickes/B&Q/Homebase will reveal piles of alpha-emitting sources emitting 60keV gammas contained - not in a locked steel box containing each source separately contained in a lead pot - but in a thin metal housing riveted onto a circuit board in a plastic enclosure in a cardboard box. Each source is typically around 37kBq (i microCurie) of Americium 241. There is no security and the general public, including pregnant women and children, are free to walk around these, play with them, steal them etc. When finished with them they are free to throw them into the bin with no special disposal.

Not far from these there are stacks of containers of flammable solvents. These too are not locked away, not in bunded containers and not surrounded by a battery of fire extinguishers, sprinkler systems and warning signs. On one occasion I saw a particularly large stack next to the main exit.

These are smoke detectors and various paint thinners, solvents, brush cleaners and othersolvents.

Ian

“Do not believe everything you read on the Internet.” -Abraham Lincoln
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1 month 3 weeks ago #41579 by Baldilocks
Perhaps a bit of perspective would be useful here.

A quick tour round your local Wickes/B&Q/Homebase will reveal piles of alpha-emitting sources emitting 60keV gammas contained - not in a locked steel box containing each source separately contained in a lead pot - but in a thin metal housing riveted onto a circuit board in a plastic enclosure in a cardboard box. Each source is typically around 37kBq (i microCurie) of Americium 241. There is no security and the general public, including pregnant women and children, are free to walk around these, play with them, steal them etc. When finished with them they are free to throw them into the bin with no special disposal.

Not far from these there are stacks of containers of flammable solvents. These too are not locked away, not in bunded containers and not surrounded by a battery of fire extinguishers, sprinkler systems and warning signs. On one occasion I saw a particularly large stack next to the main exit.

These are smoke detectors and various paint thinners, solvents, brush cleaners and other solvents.

Ian

“Do not believe everything you read on the Internet.” -Abraham Lincoln

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1 month 3 weeks ago #41581 by AndyG
You old cynic ... :-)

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1 month 3 weeks ago #41582 by Baldilocks

AndyG wrote: You old cynic ... :-)


You could be right - Definitions of a cynic:

n. A man who, when he smells flowers, looks around for a coffin.

n. A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, and not as they ought to be (hence the custom among the Scythians of plucking out a cynic's eye to improve his vision).
(Especially valid since I'm your resident cyclops!)

n. A pessimistically practical individual, one who believes that the glass is half-empty, and no one is likely to fill it up any time soon.

“Do not believe everything you read on the Internet.” -Abraham Lincoln
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1 month 2 days ago #41598 by Kasey
Update!

They've given up on the cupboards for general chemicals. :)

I now have to sign every time I get anything out of the flammable, oxidising or poison cupboards. :bang

Also 'discussing' whether I should have a sign on the chemical store.

Been perfectly OK for 4 years without one.....

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1 month 10 hours ago #41603 by Leigh Preece
Kasey: who's going to be checking your signatures?

It's about as relevant as the documents found in a factory if nobody will be actually auditing or has reason for you to do it.

www.be-first-class.com/no-air-raids-today/

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

Albert Einstein

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1 month 9 hours ago #41604 by AndyG
If you have to check out, common sense says you have to check in.
As an extension to that you should be taking a mass reading every time as you could be putting an empty bottle back...
Let's think about that, for instance when it comes to how much group 1 has actually been used, bearing in mind it's coated in oil ...

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1 month 5 hours ago #41606 by Kasey

Leigh Preece wrote: Kasey: who's going to be checking your signatures?

It's about as relevant as the documents found in a factory if nobody will be actually auditing or has reason for you to do it.

www.be-first-class.com/no-air-raids-today/



Who's even going to know I've actually opened it?
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